Lich

Rate the Lich

lich is so great

- 100% deny
- money maker
- ulti kills even the most feeded human player

I voted O.

I think the lich is perfectly balanced. He can do great damage (with spells) but is pretty fragile. No need to change the lich I think.

Lich frost nova rules in early game but in late game is too weak, should deal as much dmg (or even more on 10lvl) as dreadlord/kubrick/skeleton warden wave.

good hero no changes needed

He's not fragile. Frost armour is a stronger slow than frost orb even at mid levels, so he's hard to catch without multiple slow effects or stuns. It also gives a hefty armour bonus. IMO he's just a little overpowered. Frost nova and frost armour slows are a bit hardcore considering the damage and +armour components of them both are quite strong. Really though I think frost nova just needs some very slight tweaks and he'll be perfect.

Xoralundra wrote:Really though I think frost nova just needs some very slight tweaks and he'll be perfect.

the problem is it was alrdy weaker once(did lesser dmg)....but it was kinda hard for lich then to creep

imo hes balanced, but im allways open for suggestions

It's just playing him early on the damage against starting heroes always seems to be a bit obscene, taking like 1/5 of their hp if they're not str. Maybe lower the starting damage very slightly, but that's it.

Xoralundra wrote:He's not fragile. Frost armour is a stronger slow than frost orb even at mid levels, so he's hard to catch without multiple slow effects or stuns. It also gives a hefty armour bonus. IMO he's just a little overpowered. Frost nova and frost armour slows are a bit hardcore considering the damage and +armour components of them both are quite strong. Really though I think frost nova just needs some very slight tweaks and he'll be perfect.

The thing is you talk about frost armour being op but really with lich you have a choice, nova or armour and i think any sane player is going to take nova unless of course you want to swap out the imba ulti but you'd have to be mad.

The ulti's not really that imba until players have ridiculous health pools. It's channeled, and any situation in which it gets you a kill typically would've gotten you a kill anyway.

Frost armour doesn't take many points to be stronger than frost orb. You level dark pact to 1, then nova and armour til D&D becomes available, and even then you can still take 1 point in D&D and continue to rank armour to make all your allies in range hard to chase.

Remember hna is a team game not solo and in team game this ulti > all

Lich pwns easy to kill ppl in the start whit frost nova

I rate him +.
Nova slow duration is ok, but range is too big, and cd is a bit short imo.
It would be nice, if the range grown up / lvl
The rest skills are ok.

I think the typical deny by attacks is good and should stay as it is.
But even lower skilled lichs always eat all the units and if the raider of the wave is missing everytime, you aren't able to level well.
Maybe the deny by the pact should give half or one third of the experience points, but not steal all.

Sacrificing taurens etc all the time is way too powerful in terms of loss of exp so i'd suggest the units stay alive instead just taking the hp/mana. And another problem is that horde got two heroes that can sacrifice it's a huge loss of exp.

i think alliance dont lose exp for that cause we see green " ! " above units so that mean alliance get exp if we kill our unit then we see red ! that mean they dont get exp . Ofc i am not sure of that but i think i have right.

Sawier wrote:i think alliance dont lose exp for that cause we see green " ! " above units so that mean alliance get exp if we kill our unit then we see red ! that mean they dont get exp . Ofc i am not sure of that but i think i have right.

nope....

if alliance denies, you see the red !
if horde denies, you see the green !

just watch your experience points when you play vs a lich next time
you will see the green ! but you wont get any experience

! is just a marker to show that it has been team killed.

about the dark ritual / death pact check also this thread:
https://heroesandarmies.forumotion.com/ideas-suggestions-f3/dark-ritual-death-pact-t516.htm#7195

range of lich nova is?

(too) high in my opinion

Range is alright just the slow is a bit too much in the start i'd say. But seems hard to configure the slow % of the nova.

Cain wrote:Range is alright just the slow is a bit too much in the start i'd say. But seems hard to configure the slow % of the nova.

decreased it a tiny tiny bit
(from 600 lvl1 to 590 ... and lvl10 from 765 to 750)

the % cant be changed, think its the same % like the slow of the frost-orb, but im not sure

and about cd of denay at low lvl??

cuz if u up a bit the cd, its more fair less xp steal to hum, and less "send nova every time", and at least, mb ppl will need to put more than 1 point in

Lich is the Best hordian hero indeed! Nova is a word of Power , dont change nothing

Frostorb vs Mk (avatar) = slow. yeah good but why does frost armor dont slows? same effect ....