Naga Queen
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Rate the Naga Queen
Naga Queen
Rate the Naga Queen
Last edited by Ace Ventura on 2010-03-09, 12:03; edited 1 time in total
Re: Naga Queen
Very good hero, one of the best intelligence heroes (probably only second to the lich/kubrik).
Forked lighnting is fine how it is, the cooldown and damage are balanced.
shield skill is very tough, but I don't think it's imbalanced since she has lower health and amour.
Ultimate is ok, is usefull for stopping spells or teleports. Could maybee do more damage to buildings with higher lvls?
The only naga's skill I don't know much about is frost arrows. Does this skill slow heroes more than the frost orb does? It adds damage to each attack similar to the PotM's fire arrows, but are higher lvl arrows better than the frost orb? I might test it out, could be very useful, (also the frost arrow projectile looks better than the frost orb's one, so that's a benefit )
Forked lighnting is fine how it is, the cooldown and damage are balanced.
shield skill is very tough, but I don't think it's imbalanced since she has lower health and amour.
Ultimate is ok, is usefull for stopping spells or teleports. Could maybee do more damage to buildings with higher lvls?
The only naga's skill I don't know much about is frost arrows. Does this skill slow heroes more than the frost orb does? It adds damage to each attack similar to the PotM's fire arrows, but are higher lvl arrows better than the frost orb? I might test it out, could be very useful, (also the frost arrow projectile looks better than the frost orb's one, so that's a benefit )
Andoz- Axemaster
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Re: Naga Queen
1. yAndoz wrote:.1.Does this skill slow heroes more than the frost orb does?
2. It adds damage to each attack similar to the PotM's fire arrows, but are higher lvl arrows better than the frost orb?
2. y
LeCLerc- Admin
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leclerc wrote:1. yAndoz wrote:.1.Does this skill slow heroes more than the frost orb does?
2. It adds damage to each attack similar to the PotM's fire arrows, but are higher lvl arrows better than the frost orb?
2. y
Ok, I just did a quick test in single player.
Frost orbs stats:
45% movement speed reduction
25% attack speed reduction.
duration: 3s on units, 1s on heroes.
Frost arrow stats (lvl10):
40% movement speed reduction
55% attack speed reduction
+30 damge added
duration: didn't count the seconds, but lasts much longer than the orb.
So the frost arrows only have a slightly weaker effect on movement speed (5%), but more than makes up for it with it's other attributes. I may start to use this skill with naga in the future.
Andoz- Axemaster
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Re: Naga Queen
y, but decreased ice orb slow from 45% to 40% in upcomin vers.Andoz wrote:leclerc wrote:1. yAndoz wrote:.1.Does this skill slow heroes more than the frost orb does?
2. It adds damage to each attack similar to the PotM's fire arrows, but are higher lvl arrows better than the frost orb?
2. y
Ok, I just did a quick test in single player.
Frost orbs stats:
45% movement speed reduction
25% attack speed reduction.
duration: 3s on units, 1s on heroes.
Frost arrow stats (lvl10):
40% movement speed reduction
55% attack speed reduction
+30 damge added
duration: didn't count the seconds, but lasts much longer than the orb.
So the frost arrows only have a slightly weaker effect on movement speed (5%), but more than makes up for it with it's other attributes. I may start to use this skill with naga in the future.
to the duration of frost arrows:
1.55sec lvl1 mana-cost: 6 (potm arrows mana cost: 6)
1.60sec lvl2 mana-cost: 8 (potm arrows mana cost: 7)
....
2sec lvl10 mana-cost: 24 (potm arrows mana cost: 15)
i think the mana-costs are too high or?
i mean 10shots and 240mana gone on lvl10 ....
Re: Naga Queen
this one sucks.
die in one second in early mid game but u are invu in late...there is just no balance for mana shield, there have to be something different.
die in one second in early mid game but u are invu in late...there is just no balance for mana shield, there have to be something different.
vion- Archmage
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Re: Naga Queen
Ace Ventura wrote:
i think the mana-costs are too high or?
most definitely not, i think we all know how hard it is to kill naga with mana shield combined with ring + sobi mask
motion_man- Dope
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Re: Naga Queen
I will think of a way to fix mana shield.
I am calculating a system right now which already works in my mind and it will work on paper.
I am calculating a system right now which already works in my mind and it will work on paper.
Orc.Slayer- Tauren Chieftain
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Orc.Slayer wrote:I will think of a way to fix mana shield.
I am calculating a system right now which already works in my mind and it will work on paper.
How about this: level 1 - shield that absorbs 200 dmg with 30 sec cd and 200 mana cost - level 10 - shield that absorbs 2000 dmg with 90 sec cd and 1000 mana cost.
Naga will be harder to kill in mid/short game but not invincible at the end.
J.P.P.P.P.P- Forum King
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hmm sounds good, but how would this be possible to make it as a spell?J.P.P.P.P.P wrote:
How about this: level 1 - shield that absorbs 200 dmg with 30 sec cd and 200 mana cost - level 10 - shield that absorbs 2000 dmg with 90 sec cd and 1000 mana cost.
Naga will be harder to kill in mid/short game but not invincible at the end.
would be easy if the 2000dmg would be done with 1hit (could use hardend skin with cd).....but obvoisly thats not possible so the 2000dmg is over time
Re: Naga Queen
Hmm you can find the trigger for it at HLW RoC, the psychotic child
Orc.Slayer- Tauren Chieftain
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Orc.Slayer wrote:Hmm you can find the trigger for it at HLW RoC, the psychotic child
nice 1 orc.slayer safe man ty for the help ill get ace to check it out
Re: Naga Queen
The Hive Workshop is an excellent place to find such triggers.
Xoralundra- Bloodmage
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Re: Naga Queen
still damn op
played some guys vs naga/with naga lst days and i have to say WTF
a)tornado cd is just a joke (too low on each lvl)
b)lighting dmg, hmm bit how but ok all in all if u see all other waves/lightnings
c)manashiled -> woot ? imba tank in lategame, cant die anyway if u have 1-2mates who can play a bit(y a bit is enough this time^^) -> but rly hard to fix it, cuz if u take too high manacosts its useless and if u take too less dmg absorb its sucks also....and ideas ?
played some guys vs naga/with naga lst days and i have to say WTF
a)tornado cd is just a joke (too low on each lvl)
b)lighting dmg, hmm bit how but ok all in all if u see all other waves/lightnings
c)manashiled -> woot ? imba tank in lategame, cant die anyway if u have 1-2mates who can play a bit(y a bit is enough this time^^) -> but rly hard to fix it, cuz if u take too high manacosts its useless and if u take too less dmg absorb its sucks also....and ideas ?
PureOwn4ge- Forum Extreme User
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Re: Naga Queen
I fing her rather easy to play, but not that interesting.
Hero/creep ender with lightning, ranger, with mana shield (+sobi (+ring)) can stay upfront very long time -> easy to get exp.
I rated her ++ because of the not-that-interesting part.
Hero/creep ender with lightning, ranger, with mana shield (+sobi (+ring)) can stay upfront very long time -> easy to get exp.
I rated her ++ because of the not-that-interesting part.
XioNiDaS- Tinker
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Re: Naga Queen
She isn't a hard hero, if you don die at the beginnig, u will the god
w.10- Archangel
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y, cd of torando is very low...PureOwn4ge wrote:still damn op
played some guys vs naga/with naga lst days and i have to say WTF
a)tornado cd is just a joke (too low on each lvl)
b)lighting dmg, hmm bit how but ok all in all if u see all other waves/lightnings
c)manashiled -> woot ? imba tank in lategame, cant die anyway if u have 1-2mates who can play a bit(y a bit is enough this time^^) -> but rly hard to fix it, cuz if u take too high manacosts its useless and if u take too less dmg absorb its sucks also....and ideas ?
so i increased it to lvl1 200sec (before 150)... lvl6 150sec (before 120sec)
about mana-shield: dont know how to fix it
Re: Naga Queen
about mana-shield: dont know how to fix it desperate
well if theres really no idea, i can post a strange one:
change main attribute from int to agi (or str, but str fits least to naga queen)
this would prevent too powerful manashields (much less manapoints that protect hp).
anyway this might cause some necessity to adjust absorption rates, as it now stacks with the armor of an agi hero. i can imagine an evil sister of potm with ice arrows....
-steel
Steel.DX- Dope
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Re: Naga Queen
Steel.DX wrote:
well if theres really no idea, i can post a strange one:
change main attribute from int to agi (or str, but str fits least to naga queen)
I dont like it, really strange, she would lack mana all the time for spells, but would be (one of) the best agi heroes in lategame
about mana-shield: dont know how to fix it
I thought about it, just a rough idea for it, a trigger depending on her lvl (I don't even know if it's possible to trigger )
DMG per mana | reduction of hp dmg | example of reduction on the lvl you can skill it |
0.5 | 100% - lvl * 0.5 | 99.5% |
1 | 99% - lvl * 0.6 | |
1.5 | 98% - lvl * 0.7 | 95.5% |
2 | 97% - lvl * 0.8 | |
2.5 | 96% - lvl * 0.9 | |
3 | 95% - lvl * 1.0 | 84.0% |
3.5 | 94% - lvl * 1.1 | |
4 | 93% - lvl * 1.2 | 73.5% |
4.5 | 92% - lvl * 1.3 | |
5 | 91% - lvl * 1.4 | 62.5% |
this fall of the reduction has to be stopped at maybe 60%/50%.
This would result in the following situation:
low levels can't be used for tanking, but still reduce almost all hp dmg and can be used to save yourself for a short time
higher levels will absorb way more dmg, as they do now, but the absorption would lower
Conclusion:
-low levels drain your mana too fast ---> forces you to skill it some more to make it a good spell (just like every other should be like)
-all levels, but especially high levels become weaker, with a reduction of 50% naga can "only" double up her hp, which is still quite good imo when she has like 2000 or 3000 hitpoints
(you might ask: "why all these % calculating stuff, why not just make lvl 10 50%?!"
answer: "because this system makes her reduction drop to 50% on level 30 @ max skill points and lowers reduction on low levels a little")
Got a good idea or a see a fail in mine? post it, because naga is damn imba
Orc.Slayer- Tauren Chieftain
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Re: Naga Queen
so when the naga bitch is lvl30 its 91% - 30 x 1.4 = 49% dmg reduce??
thats pretty low... (lvl10 65%)
what about a time-limited mana-shield??
so the naga cant run non-stop with mana-shield activated and you`ll have a higher chance to silence her before she activates the shield..
only dont know how long it should be
pala-shield: lvl1 7.5sec ... lvl5 17.5sec ... lvl10 30sec
axemaster AM-shield: lvl1 13sec ... lvl5 25sec ... lvl10 40sec
imo should be lvl10 40-50sec duration and about 70sec cd (dont know how much on lower lvls)
thats pretty low... (lvl10 65%)
what about a time-limited mana-shield??
so the naga cant run non-stop with mana-shield activated and you`ll have a higher chance to silence her before she activates the shield..
only dont know how long it should be
pala-shield: lvl1 7.5sec ... lvl5 17.5sec ... lvl10 30sec
axemaster AM-shield: lvl1 13sec ... lvl5 25sec ... lvl10 40sec
imo should be lvl10 40-50sec duration and about 70sec cd (dont know how much on lower lvls)
Re: Naga Queen
Ace Ventura wrote:so when the naga bitch is lvl30 its 91% - 30 x 1.4 = 49% dmg reduce??
thats pretty low... (lvl10 65%)
and 50% still doubles up your hp.....Orc.Slayer wrote:
this fall of the reduction has to be stopped at maybe 60%/50%.
if you activate it early enough, it's still a great tanking spell
Ace Ventura wrote:
what about a time-limited mana-shield??
maybe always 2 times the duration of pala shield, and same/a little less cooldown
Orc.Slayer- Tauren Chieftain
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Re: Naga Queen
naga is just imbalanced....u can hardly kill her with even 3 or 4 guys or stun if the player is just a little bit skilled....even a total bob can play her..
buy intelligence ---> dont die ....thats it!
buy intelligence ---> dont die ....thats it!
curious_PaiN- Footman
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to my mind it should stay like that because ally is weaker and to weaken naga would imba this more, naga isnt that high damage dealer and you shouldnt focus her in late game when she has full mana, just wait untill she lost some mana by creeping or simply in fight. only problem if there are naga thinker mk batman and pala on ally side then gl^^
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