Panda

Rate the Panda

Very nice hero.

Breath of fire is very good.
Drunken haze i'm not sure about, I only get it to lvl 1.
Brawler is very good passive skill.

Ultimate is good for escaping dangerous situations or trapping an enemy hero with cyclone. I think the ultimate could maybee be a bit better. The 3 elemental pandas are pretty weak. They don't do much damage and are fairly easy to kill. Maybee just make the earth and fire panda tougher? If the wind panda was too tough it would be too dificult to kill (because of wind walk).

Plus the panda has one of the best custom names (Po the kung-fu panda). This alone makes him one of the best heroes

doesn't drunken haze last a bit long? feels like, because you can slow a hero to minimal movement speed with haze and frost sooooooo long

Orc.Slayer wrote:doesn't drunken haze last a bit long? feels like, because you can slow a hero to minimal movement speed with haze and frost sooooooo long

y the slow+duration on lvl 10 haze is kinda overpowered:/

drunken brawler 32% evasion, sword 20% evasion, haze 55% chance to miss

y motion, but there is a maximum % of evasion I think

(but if there is non, panda would be invincible (except spells, but he is a str hero ) )

I rated him ++ cuz of imo op drunken haze. If u have good teamm8 enemy hasn't chance to escape. I think that slow lasts good, but should slow less. And ulti, best for escape, simply run away on ww. Cd should be longer. Breath good with haze, and crit/evasion in lategame is imba, I think.

yea, the slow of the drunken haze is too much on high lvls...

i think the ulit is at the moment pretty much overpowered because of cooldown (isnt it 140 secs?). its nearly impossible to kill the panda twice within about two minutes if not played by a noob. int heroes get killed that quick - but not a tank.
-steel

Steel.DX wrote:i think the ulit is at the moment pretty much overpowered because of cooldown (isnt it 140 secs?). its nearly impossible to kill the panda twice within about two minutes if not played by a noob. int heroes get killed that quick - but not a tank.
-steel

I think this problem still exsits but no comment here that says "ok i agree, i'll change it" or "this is bullshit it stayes how it is".
Ace? Pure? Orc? U r the most big brains that love to say final and irrevocable things .

XioNiDaS_MaStEr wrote:

Steel.DX wrote:i think the ulit is at the moment pretty much overpowered because of cooldown (isnt it 140 secs?). its nearly impossible to kill the panda twice within about two minutes if not played by a noob. int heroes get killed that quick - but not a tank.
-steel

I think this problem still exsits but no comment here that says "ok i agree, i'll change it" or "this is bullshit it stayes how it is".
Ace? Pure? Orc? U r the most big brains that love to say final and irrevocable things .

compared to reincarnation it has indeed a low cooldown

but remember that you always need enough mana for it
and low lvl ulti will also be killed within 5 secs in lategame

overall I gotta agree, it's the same problem as naga's tornado was, cooldown is too low
either increase it a lot and make the 3 small pandas a bit stronger or increase the cd just a bit

XioNiDaS_MaStEr wrote:
Ace? Pure? Orc? U r the most big brains that love to say final and irrevocable things .

have to feed u so...

y, have to agree to orc; the cd is definatly too low..
but all in all, panda is a nice, balanced hero(ok in mid game, ok in late, and damn nice in late-late(double crits o_O))

really don´t like him

curious_SpiriT wrote:really don´t like him

nice rating

anyway i like him, maybe the slow of drunken haze is "a bit" high in lategame, as it stacks with all other slow effects.

and low lvl ulti will also be killed within 5 secs in lategame

i usually manage to activate ulti and windwalk straight away. thats most of the times quicker than ppl react in lategame
-steel

Orc.Slayer wrote: low lvl ulti will also be killed within 5 secs in lategame

I would say its more of a advantage than disadvantage, cause most of enemies wants to kill your pandas, you will run away with your storm panda to fountain, and enemy will kill your earth and fire pandas and you will appear at the fountain.

i guess u never played a game with only "pros"(u know what i mean..) -> u cant do a shit with lvl 1 ulti in a real lategame^^

Well, yes real lategame when everybody has like 200 dmg and high attack speed, and they kill your pandas in 3 hits, I would level it, but for example when they dont have stun they can't do much to stop storm panda.

Fujara wrote: but for example when they dont have stun they can't do much to stop storm panda.

When there is no stun u cant do much against tc ang batman reinc, he just tp away after reborn....
But compared to those 2's ulti, pandas ulti has much shorter cd which makes panda almost unbeatable at mid-late game.
If panda has much life + Drunken Brawler + good moving on map u cant kill him until ulti cd and again he can escape.

Yes the ultimate cooldown is indeed quite low compared to other ultimates and might need increasing, i don't know what people think about this.

thats my third post in this forum that the panda ulti should be increased! on any lvl!

https://heroesandarmies.forumotion.com/t200-panda
https://heroesandarmies.forumotion.com/t830-suggestions
another one deleted looong time ago

also consider the cyclone, for naga its an ulti but the storm can cast it every few seconds. its quiet stong....



-steel

Yes i totally forgot about that previous post and i did actually increase the tornado cooldowns a little bit.

almost forgot.... that bof is way too cheap, its like 120 mana for lvl 8 bof...

Yeah i actually thought about that a long time ago but i had totally forgotten about it... Breath of fire is a lot cheaper than the other "waves".

to my mind, one of the greatest hero in the alliance. That's why i really love him ^^